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Modern Planes Are Green Part 1 - Diesel vs. AVGAS

Modern general aviation planes are much more environment friendly than the previous generation, for many reasons. This also applies to modern airliners like the Airbus A380 or the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, and to all kind of planes in between.

This post is the first in a series triggered Mike Masson’s question, left in my “Any question ?” page:

As a long term environmentalist with a deep concern about global warming, I have been watching the development of more efficient planes and engines with interest.

The engine that really attracted my attention was the Zoche - but nothing seems to have happened there for ages - is it dead or about to arrive?

Also, any information on the fuel efficiency of the new Diamond engines - are they 20% more efficient that the current DIESELS or just current Avgas? Any idea when they might be available ?

First of all, thank you Mike for being an open environmentalist, and not an integrist. Aviation is not exactly environment-friendly, particularly when looked at as a hobby. However if any hobby or passion had to be good for our environment, the available activities would be quite reduced. No argue on this please.

Obtaining information from Diamond or Zoche is not easy, especially as it always comes wrapped in marketing. Even the concept of efficiency is not clear. Are we talking of gallons per hour, per nautical mile, per nautical mile and passenger ? I don’t want or can enter such an argument here, my goal is simply to highlight some trends and factors.

My guess on the new Diamond engine is that it will be 20% more efficient than the Thielert, as comparing AVGAS and Diesel would not make sense. Diesel engines are generally more “efficient” than AVGAS. Let me clarify what I mean by that…

From a pilot point of view, the only comparison that makes sense is amongst equivalent kind of flying in different planes. To talk about planes I know, let’s compare a DA40-TDI and a PA28-180. Both planes are good for flying with three or four persons on board, at speeds in the 120kts range.

The PA28 will need roughly 10 gallons of AVGAS per hour, where the DA40 will burn 5.5 gallons of Jet-A1. Yes, these figures depend of power setting and so on (no endless arguments please…), but they give a correct order of magnitude.

The easy conclusion is to say “Hooray, diesel is the solution, retro-fit it on all planes !”. Wait a minute…

Combusition of Jet-A1 and AVGAS do not produce the same gases. Jet-A1 combustion produces “thin particles”, which are suspected as a cancer factor. AVGAS generates more NOx (Nitrogen oxydes), which have various effects on health and environment.

However in terms of “efficiency”, the major difference is that the PA28 airframe needs 180HP to fly at 120 kts ! Change it for a 135HP and you won’t get the same performance, even with the fixed speed prop !

The DA40 can reach same speed because of its modern design and construction technique… this will be the subject of the next post in this series… stay tuned !

11 Comments, Comment or Ping

  1. David

    .. Hi, maybe it will be comparable, if you choose same plane. If I red carefully, Thielert is possible to instal to Piper PA24 and Cessna 172.
    And If anybody have some expirience with diesel engine in this planes - it will be comparable with total costs (burn fuel, cost of services 50, 100 and 200 hours) and costs of overhaul….
    cost for overhaul IO-360 is roughly 22t U$ (2000 TBO), cost for overhaul thielert 26t Euro,it is 1, 65 times more

    http://www.centurion-engines.com/

  2. PlasticPilot

    Hi David,

    Unfortunately I have no experience (yet…) flying the same aircraft with AVGAS and Jet-A1 plane. For the time being this would be possible on DA40, C172, and some Cessna 206.

    The compared total cost of ownership is not easy, specially for a plane an which the Thielert engine is retrofitted, because of the cost of the retrofit itself.

    On one hand, time will tell if Jet-A1 engines are less expensive than AVGAS… but on the other hand as AVGAS price will continue to climb quicker than Jet-A1, because of difference in demand, it will be hard to have fair comparison.

    Go Diesel !

  3. David

    So I thinking about easy situatiom - 2x Cessna 172 , first with AvGas, second with Thielert, befro overhaul. Cost for overhaul, cost for services (50, 100, 200), TBO Avgas 2000h, Diesel 2400h, cost for average fuel per hour
    david

  4. Plastic Pilot,
    I invite you to visit Mistral Engines and discuss thoroughly AND with real-life numbers the merits of diesel engines vs avgas and vs multi-gasoline (avgas + mogas)engines.
    I even believe you won’t have to travel too far to visit us!

  5. PlasticPilot

    François, I’m now living in the Frankfurt area, but I will certainly profit from your invitation the next time I will come to Geneva. And in the mean time I will certainly explore your website.

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