Do airport neighbors have… a brain ?
I’m usually sensitive to other’s problems, so when I saw a brave Lady, almost crying on TV, I listened to what her problem was. Sleep disorder. Bad. Caused by aircraft noise at night. Oops. I felt somehow gulty. I dislike being deprived of good sleep (to answer a previous comment, yes, I continue to sleep, even with a wife, 2-yr kid, job, and this blog), and the idea that aviation was making that to someone else was not exactly a pleasant idea. The French Lady in question is living in Gonesse. The name sounds familiar ? This is where the Air-France Concorde crashed (visit the air-accidents page to read the report, and see additional charts). Gonesse is 8 kilometers to the west of Paris Charles-de-Gaulle – one of the busiest European airport – , and 800 meters of Paris Le Bourget ! Gonesse is the red pentagon on the picture below. Commercial operations started in Le Bourget in 1919, and the planning of Charles-de-Gaulle began in 1966, so they’re not exactly recent constructions.

The next big step in my life is to buy a house, together with Mrs. PlasticPilot, in the region between Frankfurt and Darmstadt. Frankfurt is a very busy airport, and many departures use runway 18, flying over the Darmstadt area. And this includes many Airbus 340 and Boeing 747, which don’t have the world’s best climb ratios. We know that aircraft noise could (will ?) be an issue. Not that much as in Gonesse, but being 17 kilometers away, under the departures path, we expect some noise. This is also why we will visite the house and the neigborhood several times, at different times of day. Frankfurt is linked to the entire world, so there is the typical departures wave to North America in late morning, and a second one to Asia and Middle-east in the evening – all using heavy aircraft types.
We also know that arrival and departures route can change, and make the quantity of noise we would get daily really different. We discussed it, and it will be a factor in our decision. No hidden things, no surprises. But we would certainly NOT buy a house located 800 meters from an airport. Even one which is closed at night. Local regulations can evolve, and assuming that a night or week-end ban will last for ever is simply wrong. Even if someone promised me that there would soon be a ban, the same would apply. So why do some people live so close to airports ? Why do they not move to another place ?
Could that be a question of money ? Well… houses or flats located is so noisy areas are notoriously cheap to buy. And if the unlucky buyer does not want to sell at a lower price, it has no chance to sell. The prices can only get lower and lower, thus annihilating the possibility for owners to sell their house and get another one somewhere else – except by injecting extra cash in the operation, which is not always possible. However, buying such a house seems to me like a serious lack of common sense. I don’t know if people who did it visited the place on days where the airports were on strike, or if they simply not noticed the noise. This seems simply impossible… Or were there naive enough to think that there would never be night traffic ?
This is a sad situation, but what to do ? Is it normal to allow real-estate developers to build so close to airports ? Probably not. Shall the authorities ban night traffic ? This would endanger local economy, destroy jobs, and reduce local communities income. Shall the state pay for the relocation of the concerned persons in a quieter area ? Well, being silly is not illegal, and do not create right for compensation by the state… Imagine what refunding all silly persons around would cost !
I admit it, this post was driven by an unnerving situation, and is may be a bit severe… but it was so good to say it. This was not my first post about airport neighbors, check the links below for more.
Airport neighbors are our friends
How a modern aviation policy should be
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6 Comments, Comment or Ping
Xavier
I fly out ot LELL.
This (General aviation) airport has been there far before the (Spanish Civil) War ~1939.
Even so, today, the neighbours claim the aiport should be closed.
Not only because of noise, but also because of danger.
Two years ago, a Cessna 172 crashed into an illegal crane raised beyong legal maximums and in the QMS line. Pilot and 3 passenjers died. The aiport was closed by authorities for 21 days causing serious economic issues to airport companies.
Neighbours have been trying to use this accident as a weapon against the airport.
The truth is, though, that the area where the aiport is is already saturated and there are lots of economic interests in real estate there.
I’ve always thought how unfare it is to go live near an infrastructure one day, and later claim the infrastructure is annoying you.
A different thing happens when the infrastructure is built later.
Probably, the authorities should reward the neighbours of such things (airports, drug treatment places and the like) so that their comunity is compensated by that reward.
Congrats for your blog.
Xavier
www.aviador.es
Sep 24th, 2008
Adam Smith
I think that this problem is actually bigger for smaller GA airports. A big airport with commercial traffic will not close but a smaller airport, that was there first, may close as a result of neighbors.
We in the GA community need to do our best to follow noise abatement procedures around populated areas to keep the neighbors happy. Regardless of who was there first there are generally a lot more non pilots than pilots voting for City Council.
Sep 25th, 2008
Tartofraiz
I agree with Adam.
Just a bit of information about Gonesse : the city was founded in 832…
It is also true that in the 1950’s and 1960’s population was not as dense as it is nowadays around Paris. When it opened in 1974, Charles de Gaulle Airport was “in the middle of nowhere”. The situation is quite different today…
Sep 25th, 2008
PlasticPilot
Tartofraiz, I know that the city was there before the aiport, but I guess that when it got built, the population got consulted. When the city of Meyrin, close to Geneva airport, was extended with social habitations, there were promotion based on the fact that inhabitants will be able to “see the aircraft taking-off and landing from their balcony”.
I’m not saying that the town shall move, but that I can hardly unerstand someone complaining, if that person bought a house in the present situation…
Sep 25th, 2008
Adam Smith
I agree with you entirely PP. That being said most people don’t think about things logically when they are upset. All that goes through their head is “these airplanes are bothering me, what can I do about it” and the sad situation is that the airports will usually be the victim.
In the case of big airports the airports are not in danger because the general public uses them and they recognize the value. The problem is that the general public does not recognize the value of municipal or GA airport and when the town goes to war on a small airport the town usually wins.
Even though we know that in a lot of cases the airport was there first, all that we need remember is that we are in the minority and we will lose. For that reason I was always taught during my training to follow published noise abatement procedures and I do my best to follow them.
Sep 25th, 2008
PlasticPilot
Adam, you’re 100% correct. As you probably felt, this post was more of an epidermic reaction, and a bit of provocation, than anything else. I’m sure you also read my older post about respecting noise abatement procedures, and make all what is possible to reduce all nuisances…
http://www.plasticpilot.net/blog/2008/05/28/airport-neighboors-are-our-friends/
Sep 25th, 2008
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